people's kids just move out of state and it's been happening by the hundreds of thousands every year. it's a real crisis and hasn't broken through the media bubble down here in the city and carl paladino is trying to breakthrough that bubble and trying to basically grab the state by the lapels and say, we're dying upstate, we've got to do something different, we've got change what goes on in albany. the missing ingredient, as you say, chris, what's the real plan, other than being outraged. >> yeah, joe, tell us about your trip. >> well, listen, you know, i don't as much fist shaking anger out among the people as i do on tv. there's some of that to be sure, but what people are really are are freaked out, you know, in past economic downturns that you and i have both covered, chris, people are concerned their kids aren't going to be able to live as good as they have. now, they're absolutely convinced that their kids will not live as good as they have.